August 19, 2008

Hillary's convention catharsis



The Democrats get their three days of free media coverage next week as they converge on Denver for their Convention. While there is no longer any suspense surrounding the nomination of Barack Obama, questions remain about the overall tenor of the convention and the extent to which some of Hillary Clinton's supporters could create some awkward moments for the party. After considerable negotiation, Obama has acceded to Hillary's request for her name to appear on the ballot and for her supporters to have their day in the sun. So the stage is set for a certain amount of healthy difference of opinion on the convention floor, but is there any astrological clue that suggests that things could become fractious or otherwise divisive?

The transit of Mars to the natal Rahu in the Democratic Party horoscope suggests that there will a level of conflict and energy that may be somewhat excessive and perhaps make the Obama camp uncomfortable. I am also interested to see what the effect of the Mercury-Venus transit to the natal Mars in this chart will be. This occurs around Aug 23rd before the convention begins and may represent some minor setback for the Democrats in the election campaign. For the convention itself, the Mars conjunction to Rahu becomes exact on the 27th. This may be the most likely time when things may boil over somewhat.

While Hillary is scheduled to speak on the 26th, her chart does not suggest a major event. Mercury and Venus are squaring her Uranus so that can make for things to be a little out of one's control perhaps. Both benefic transiting planets come under the influence of her natal Rahu so that is another sign matters getting out of hand or things not working out in a favourable way for her. This is certainly not a positive pattern so Hillary may come up with the short end of the stick during the convention.

The 27th has two potential sources of conflict -- the roll call of state delegates to cast their votes for either Obama or Hillary and a speech by Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton's chart looks very animated at this time as the transiting Mars is conjunct his ascendant. Clinton has been widely criticized for his sometimes uncontrollable anger and some questionable statements during the campaign and lacklustre support for Obama. This Mars transit strongly points to another eruption by the former president, either during his speech or perhaps as a result of a roll call vote that ends with Hillary receiving an embarrassingly low number of votes. I think Bill Clinton will emerge as the big loser in the convention as the transiting Sun will be right on the 12th house cusp signifying loss, diminished status, and isolation. I would not be surprised to see him booed during his speech. In some way, Bill and Hillary Clinton will create difficulties for the Democratic Party.

But the overall effect of the convention is likely to be generally positive for Obama and the Party. Transiting Sun closely aspects the natal Moon in the natal chart suggesting high public profile and this is also in trine aspect to the natal Venus indicating convivial feelings. While neither nor the Moon nor Venus cast full strength aspects in Vedic astrology, it is important to remember that the mutual planetary interaction still exists because trine aspects are conjunct in the navamsa chart.

While I will await the selection of the VP candidate before making a definitive prediction on the outcome of this election, the horoscope of the Democratic Party is not in good condition in November. I noted some of these problems several months ago and couldn't quite figure out how the afflictions there could be reconciled with the charts of the key figures in the party. There seemed to be too much affliction to denote a victory. One alternative scenario was a win but under very trying circumstances such as warfare, rioting, or something of that disruptive nature. But looking at this chart again reaffirms just how chaotic the election period will be. While I had thought Obama's new birth time boosted his chances for winning, I wonder now if that might only translate into popularity and enhanced public visibility rather than actually winning office.

More on that topic to come.

6 comments:

Getty1206 said...

Thanks, Chris.
Any selection of a VP other than Clinton, I think, not only likely spells doom for Obama, but confirms for me he is an ego-driven fool.

Twilight said...

Hear Hear, Getty1206 !

Obama continues to slip in the polls, maybe this will force him to get over himself and do what's best for the country. But if Chis is correct and things don't too look good for HRC, it seems that's an unlikely outcome. Getting over himself does not seem to be on Obama's agenda. He'd rather see a Republican win the General Election than sweep into the White House himself, with Hillary Clinton as his VP.

Fingers crossed though - you never can tell.

Christopher Kevill said...

I don't think it was just ego that precluded him from choosing HRC. Just imagine the if Hillary was Veep and the GOP attack ads. They would use Hillary's own words against Obama and make them look quite foolish. And when you throw in the angry Bill factor looming over an Obama White House, it really doesn't make sense.

Hillary as VP would only become plausible if Obama was losing in the polls which at this point, he isn't.

Christopher Kevill said...

Well, a new Reuters poll does show him behind. And this Nation article argues that Obama could choose HRC if he really needed her. I think his drop in the polls has come too late to seriously consider this Hillary option.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/346742

Getty1206 said...

Chris, there are several polls now showing him losing. He is losing ground so fast he isn't sure which end is sky.

christy said...

Looking ahead to Election 2008

Right now, John McCain is running the Saturn dasa Saturn antardasa as per natal Satabdika dasa. Saturn is the 6th lord in 6th in rasi. In D-10, he is the lagna lord in the 10th house. He is in 7th from AL. He owns the rajya pada (A10). The pratyantardasa at the time of election will be Mercury's. He owns and aspects the 5th house in D-10 and exalted in lagna in rasi.

The 2008-09 annual TP chart of John McCain is cast for 2008 Sept 11 at 11:06:45 pm. In this chart, 5th lord Mercury is exalted in 5tyh. Lagna lord Venus, 7th lord Mars and 5th lord Mercury are conjoined in the 5th house of power within a 1 deg 10 min arc. This happens in the 9th house of AL (arudha lagna)! Mars owns A10, while Mercury owns A5. They happen to be in the 7th house from GL (Ghatika Lagna), which is the seat of power. Rajya sahamam falls in Gemini and Mercury owns it.

In D-10 also, lagna lord Venus, 7th lord Mars and 5th lord Mercury are conjoined in the 8th house of sudden reversals and A5 is also there. In fact, GL is also with them.

At the time of elections, Sun, Mercury and Mars transit in his 10th house.

Though 2007-08 annual TP chart of McCain is not promising and explains the lacklustre performance in opinion polls until now, it is likely that he will pick up steam after Sept 11.

Now let us see the chart of Barack Obama. Jupiter-Moon antardasa is running. Moon is in the 12th house in D-10 and has the potential to give a loss.

The annual TP chart of Barack Obama is cast for 2008 July 26 at 10:04 pm. Lagna lord and 10th lord Jupiter is also the ruler of the year and he is in moolatrikona in 10th. The 5th lord Moon is exalted in 3rd. These are all good factors. But the 5th house of power contains 6th lord Sun and 8th lord Venus along with 7th lord Mercury and 9th lord Ketu. This is not a good combination. In D-10, lagna lord Jupiter is in 8th. The 10th lord Mercury is in 6th and the 5th lord Mars is in 4th. Neither shows political power.

John McCain has a considerably higher chance of winning than Barack Obama.

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Final Prediction

Until mid-September, Obama will seem to have an advantage. But, McCain's campaign will pick up steam during the second half of September and October. John McCain will win the US presidential election 2008.

When (if) the charts of Vice Presidential candidates are available, I will re-visit this prediction and see if there is any modification. But, as things stand now, I am comfortable with the final horoscopes of both Obama and McCain and my expectation is that McCain will win



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Hi Chris,
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