June 23, 2008

New 7.24 p.m. birth time for Barack Obama


Christmas came early to astrologers this year as the Barack Obama campaign responded to questions about his citizenship and released his birth certificate. He was born at 7.24 pm on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu. This is fairly close to the previously popular time of 7.11 pm, and while the basics of the chart do not change, there are some potentially significant differences in the varga or Hindu harmonic charts. So what does this new and apparently definitive birth chart reveal about Obama's future and the 2008 Presidential election?

In terms of his political aspirations, the 7.24 pm chart improves his chances in November. Moon becomes the current bhukti period and this will run until February. The Moon is well-positioned in the natal chart by virtue of being in Taurus, its sign of exaltation, and placed in the favourable 5th house, which also happens to be the house most associated with politics. If we tweak the birth time back a bit to about 7.20 pm, the Moon rises in the all-important D-10 dashamsha chart which represents career and status. While I tend to be wary of gratuitous tinkering with birth times in order to prove a theoretical point, this is a more legitimate rectification and conforms with the standard margin of error observed in officially documented birth times. Having the bhukti lord Moon rising the in D-10 chart is one important source of his current popularity. Significantly, the Moon subperiod began in November 2007, which was essentially the time when his campaign really took off.

This new chart also confirms the likelihood of troubles I had previously forecast for Obama for early July and then in early August. We can see transiting Rahu (24 Capricorn) is now within range of the ascendant and will continue to be for the next month of so. Rahu isn't always malefic, of course, but in Obama's chart it is more likely to create difficulties owing to its problematic natal situation: placed in the dussthana 8th whole sign house, conjunct Uranus and Pluto. Moreover, Saturn, its transit dispositor, is currently transiting the 8th house applying to a conjunction with Pluto. The 8th house represents surprises (often unwelcome), embarrassments, secrets and scandals, and accidents. I'll have a clearer idea about his election chances when he announces his VP running mate.

Besides his obvious popularity and political success, the other predominant theme in his chart is violence. This is seen through his natal Mars placed in Leo in the 8th whole sign house. The new 7.24 p.m chart unfortunately moves this Mars even closer to the equal 8th house cusp, which makes him more prone to violence and intrigue. In addition, Mars is debilitated in Cancer in the D-8 ashtamsha chart which represents troubles and hardships. It is worth noting that the next bhukti period after the current Moon period belongs to Mars and runs from March 2009 to February 2010. While dashas and bhuktis are not infallible predictive techniques, this is an important factor to consider when constructing a larger model of Obama's future. Given the difficulty of Mars' situation in Obama's chart, this is a possible time of violence against him or his family. Michelle Obama's chart is also heavily laden with active Mars symbolism and intense stresses. In fact, her chart looks so stressed, it is hard to imagine how it could represent a victory for Obama, and yet if there are other sources of hardship on a national and personal level at the time around the election, then they are possible expressions of her chart karma that may allow for an Obama victory. In that sense, negative karma is a zero-sum phenomenon that needs expression somewhere, the only question is how it is manifest. Without knowing her birth time, it is very tricky to figure out just how things will fall into place.

At the same time, I do not want to rule out the possibility of violence in the campaign (especially early August) and during the time after the election and before the inauguration. Transiting Mars conjoins his natal Mars in early August and this will be opposite unpredictable Uranus. While this is a time that will be marked by some kind of violence or sudden event, it's important to remember how there may be karmic surrogates for it such as some global military event that alters the course of the campaign. A strike against Iran is one obvious possibility at this time. Also, Saturn stations near his malefic natal Mars in the 8th house in November and December and these are also likely times of conflict and turmoil either in the country generally, or involving him specifically. So while the new time does enhance his chances of getting elected, it also increases the chances that he will be assassinated. Overall, I think the most dangerous period is summer 2009. Late December 2008 is also marked by some malefic patterns, most obviously transiting Sun and Mars forming an opposition to his natal Venus and the transiting Pluto. Venus represents his wife Michelle, so she is likely to be under stress at this time. And since Venus is also lord of the 10th house of career, it appears to be an indicator of stress from his job -- assuming for the moment that he wins the election, this may mean confronting a serious financial and/or international crisis. This also coincides with the Saturn-Uranus opposition and points to a major disruption (Uranus) to global economic structures (Saturn). The stock market is likely to decline sharply around that time. It seems the US and the world is entering a more difficult and turbulent period that may last for the next three years.


12 comments:

Jackarooty said...

Hi Chris,
I've been waiting for your update. It's very intense and I must admit I was taken aback slightly at how direct and specific your words were regarding violence against BHO. I'll bet the Secret Service are watching you. Ever since 9/11 the Bush administration has turned this country into a police(d) state.
I have had the feeling ever since HRC announced the suspension of her campaign that she knows something and is more than willing to "play along". I'm not referring to the violence but the secrets and potential scandals surrounding BHO. Time will tell.
Btw posters as a life long Dem I am now officially "unenrolled". I don't want to be associated with the party anymore. I still plan to vote against any and all incumbents in November.

Kimmaree said...

I have been waiting for your always insightful analysis - and reallllly want Hillary to be the one but ...

No one would want violence or extream distress for his young family - we only that the party play fair with Hillary.

I hope your possiblity that the stress will evolve as bad press (it is about time for some of that) or some international event is thecase - not the other possible option.

Thank you again for all your effort analysing the birth data and for posting such a comprehensive post.

Twilight said...

The violence around August that you see in the charts, Chris, if related to the election, would only be likely to come from Obama supporters if he wasn't to be nominated. I don't see Clinton supporters, female in the majority, being inclined to violence - anger yes, violence no.

As you say, some of the hints of violence in your charts might relate to another issue -Iran. Also would it be around the time of the Olymics in China? Perhaps some trouble might erupt there.

However things develop, it seems there will be no smooth and easy ride for Obama.

Thanks again, Chris, for all the detailed work you've done.

Julianne B. said...

Hey Chris:

Wow! That was a chilling forecast. I pray no harm comes to the Obamas. None of us HillRods want that.

There's an 18 Million Voices March planned for Denver, with sister protests across the country. I can see Obamatons perpetrating violence under those circumstances, just based on their irrational rantings under lesser circumstances.

Like Jackarooty, I left the Party, after 35 years, and am now registered as nonpartisan (NV). After the travesty of democracy that was the RBC meeting (violation of Sunshine Laws, reducing FL dels to half a vote, violation of RBC Reg.4.25, Rule 13, Clause C, Donna Brazile's "message to base: stay home," and so on), I don't recognize my party anymore. Nor will I condone their behavior by voting Democratic.

There is talk that Obama's newly discovered birth certificate is not certified. A Hawaiian born the same year posted her b. cert. in the back room of the HC Forum, and by contrast, the seal is missing from Obama's. Who knows!

I still believe Obama's chickens will come home to roost in time to right the terrible injustice done to Hillary. I'm not so sure HRC knows about any specific impending scandals. I think she's just a good soldier for the Party.

This all just gets "curioser and curiouser"! It should make for a few interesting years in the runup to Dec. 21, 2012. Shift happens!

Kimmaree said...

Hi Chris
there is a post by Twilight on http://twilightstarsong.blogspot.com/
she ponders the grass roots coming together of dis-affected Hillary Supporters with the planet Eris.

Eris has a rep as the goddess of "strife" but the post asks to contextualize that with thoughts about Eris being more "the goddess of group dynamics".

Do you see any hints in the Dem Campaign Charts Placement of Eris that supports its role in the spontaneous coming together of women and other Hillary supporters?

Eclectic Investor said...

for some strange reason - since I am no astrologer, I had written that I see John McCain becoming president of the United States.

If Obama does become, there are high chances of the JFK kind of situation.

Kimmaree said...

Well Done Chris.
It looks like your "Late July and early August" forecast for things to get a bit wobbly for the Obama Camp is becoming reality.

Along with the flip-flops and 'sports equipment' comments by friends; there is now apparently a book that claims it will reveal the "man behind the mask" out - 25th of July
http://contrariancommentary.blogspot.com/2008/07/andy-martins-worldwide-bestseller-goes.html

And ... the first advertisment by the Denver Group: calling for Hillary to have a full formal nomination process is now in newspapers (Chicago) today http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/

while I was hopefull your forecast would be correct it seemed like a long shot - but it is now looking more and more likely to materialise.

Jackarooty said...

Hi Chris,
The first quote below is from your May 13th blog and it has never left my mind. There is now a buzz that some of BHO's SDs are not happy with their guy and would consider voting for HRC at the convention IF BHO allows a proper roll call vote, but he and his people are trying to squelch that one for good reason (according to them of course).
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As I've mentioned before, the first week of August, These looks extremely volatile as tr Mars opposes tr Uranus. This will negatively activate the Mars in the Democratic Party chart as well as the Mars in Obama's birth chart. This appears to be the time of the most intense conflict and state of upset and division between the two rival campaigns. This fight may threaten the very existence of the Democratic Party.
In a nutshell, this race is far from over. And I still think Hillary Clinton will somehow emerge as the Democratic nominee.
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This second quote is from your latest blog. I find it so interesting because BHO is way down in the polls regarding national security.
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While this is a time that will be marked by some kind of violence or sudden event, it's important to remember how there may be karmic surrogates for it such as some global military event that alters the course of the campaign.
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The convention will be interesting. If there is a roll call vote without HRC's name there will be trouble.

Kimmaree said...

Hi Chris
The Denver Group have placed another adverisment

http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/07/latest-ad-from-denver-group.html
likening Hillary's struggle with Franklin Roosevelt's nomination.

That may heat things up over the next week or so ...

Getty1206 said...

Chris, it is the last couple days of July and we are now going into August. Are there any changes to what you saw in your last post? Do you still see some real difficulties or negative surprises for Obama between now and the convention?

christy said...

everyday I check this website eager to see if Chris posted a new one. Is there any, Chris?

Christopher Kevill said...

Hi Guys. I hope to add something on the weekend. I'm still keen to see what will transpire in the first week of August since it looks quite stressful to Obama.

I see that Obama is finally the subject of late night TV jokes,as the Letterman show alluded to his celebrity. His star is coming back down to earth.