September 17, 2008

Hillary for Biden?

As the Democrats face the prospect of another electoral defeat, perhaps Barack Obama may execute a last minute Hail Mary pass of his own to match McCain's desperate move of picking Palin: could be drop Joe Biden and pick Hillary Clinton at this late date? This is now actually being considered in the world of political betting, as 8% of participants on Intrade.com believe this will happen, no doubt as a way to salvage Democratic chances in November. There have been rumours about this idea ever since Palin was selected as VP nominee.

Hillary's chart does indeed look very strong in the next week, especially around the 25-26th. Transiting dasha lord Venus conjoins her natal Sun, although that could be due to the resurgence of the Democrats in the polls and the positive response to her campaigning for Obama. Possibly even more powerful is that Jupiter is sitting on her relocated 7th house cusp for Chappaqua, NY using the 20.01 chart. While I had been an advocate for the 8.00 am time for Hillary, it's interesting to see what the potential might be if the 20.01 chart is the correct chart. That stationary Jupiter aspecting the first house in the relocated chart is extremely powerful and is exactly what one would expect to see if she was to suddenly rise in prominence in this race once again. At the same time, transiting Venus and Mars are moving into Biden's 12th house of loss, a possible sign of his growing invisibility in the campaign. It's certainly an intriguing scenario to ponder, especially if the Dems continue to slip in the polls in the coming days. If McCain's poll numbers grow any more, then I would think the likelihood of Hillary replacing Biden would grow substantially. I will investigate this possibility further in the coming days.

4 comments:

Jackarooty said...

Chris,
There isn't a chance in hell that this scenario will happen. Obama's EGO would never succumb to second guessing.

Christopher Kevill said...

I think ego is irrelevant. All politicians have it, for better or worse.

It's about winning. Fortunately for the Dems, the current financial crisis have handed them a gift wrapped opportunity to make gains in popularity. But if the polls don't move in their direction over the next week, then they may become more desperate. I still don't think this Hillary switch is likely, since I think they probably will get a bounce here. But it is possible if circumstances dictated. At the moment, however, they don't.

Just ponder the prospect of a Hillary-Sarah VP debate -- who wouldn't want to see that??? Tina Fey vs Amy Poelher. :-)

Jackarooty said...

Chris,
I agree with your first two statements but Obama's EGO (caps intended) is legendary. It could end up blinding him to reality as it did when deciding upon a veep candidate initially.
There are still so many undercurrents to this campaign. Even in 2008 it would be foolish to discount the Bradley effect as well as the youth vote actually coming out. The DNC have dissed the elderly by Donna Brazile saying something like the DNC don't need them. So wrong. Who always comes out to vote? I hope that part of McCain's strategy is to start hitting hard by next week so that BHO is playing defense going into the first debate.
It is documented that BHO has taken much much more money from the banking industry lobbyists than McCain.
John McCain $6,550 (Fannie Mae) $9,100 (Freddie Mac) $117,500 (Lehman Bros.) $36,875 (AIG) and $88,050 (Bear Stearns)

Barack Obama $137,950 (Fannie Mae) $68,750 (Freddie Mac) $370,524 (Lehman Bros.) $75,899 (AIG) and $570,614 (Bear Stearns)



Hopefully the people will get that information. The MSM will not pick up a lot of credible albeit negative information about BHO. it's up to McCain to do it and do it in a timely basis.

Angela Wesley Hardin said...

Wow. I think this has nothing to do with ego. Dropping your VP candidate just isn't done. It would make any presidential candidate look like an idiot. Even McCain cannot afford to drop Palin--that is admitting to a mistake. Neither man can afford this kind of huge political blunder. I think Hillary would've made a great presidential candidate or a great veep, but bringing her in as a replacement for Biden is a completely fanciful idea. Besides, I think even if Biden were hit by a train this afternoon, Hillary would not be the first choice for the Obama ticket. It would look like a desperate attempt to match her with Palin. And we have no reason to think that she was ever a favorite for the VP slot, plus we don't even know if she would have agreed to run as veep.