April 25, 2008

Democrats 24-7: from Pennsylvania to Indiana

Hillary Clinton managed to keep her nomination hopes alive after yet another back-to-the-wall primary victory, this time in Pennsylvania. The margin was a little short of the psychologically important 10%, but it has still managed to achieve the desired aim of forcing the media and party insiders to begin to question Barack Obama's ability to win the centrist Reagan Democrats. I had thought that a big win like this was possible on the basis of the grand trine in Hillary's chart, while Obama was suffering from the various afflictions in his natal and campaign charts. All in all, I'm satisfied that the essence of my forecast has largely come to pass.

The next primaries are set for May 6th in North Carolina and Indiana. With its large population of African American and university graduates, there is no doubt that Obama will win NC handily. The real focus is then on Indiana which arguably represents a more typical cross-section of voters where Hillary can press her case that she is the better candidate to win key swing states in the November election. Polls thus far show they are in a statistical tie.

This one is a tough call as there are good and bad indications for both candidates. At this point, I'm less certain about the outcome than I was for Texas and Ohio. One thing seems likely -- DNC Chair Howard Dean will not be happy with the outcome as the tr Moon-Mercury in the 12th house form a square to his 3rd house natal Saturn. This may be due to either 1) a Hillary win in Indiana which further intensifies the division in the party and draws out this internecine battle or 2) an Obama win that is disputed by the Hillary side on procedural or technical questions. The likelihood of bad blood is perhaps also in evidence in the chart of the Democratic Party where the tr Mars in the 6th from the Moon forms a t-square with the natal Saturn-Neptune opposition. This may simply represent a lot of disappointed Hillary supporters at a loss in a crucial primary, but I believe it signals something more problematic for the party. A more prosaic explanation would be that Hillary might lose but refuse to drop out of the race arguing that Indiana is not a must-win Democratic state, as say Pennsylvania or Ohio are. This would mean the nomination race would continue and Howard Dean would still be stuck in the middle of it all.

I had predicted that Obama would run into some headaches in the days leading up to the primary, say on May 2. While these may be temporarily damaging to him, there are good signs on election day for him such as tr Venus conjoining the ascendant of the campaign chart. While it is no guarantee of happiness and achievement especially given Venus' natal conjunction with Rahu which can sometimes destabilize Venus transits, it is still a generally favourable factor that seems to point to an Indiana victory.

Nonetheless, Hillary Clinton does have some positive influences on May 6th. Transiting Sun, as 11th lord of gains, will oppose her 1st lord Venus, for example. The combination of these two houses is often a sign of a reward or improvement. The difficulty here is that there isn't much else besides that as a signal for a win where one might expect here to be. So it's seems a little thin in the plus column and may only indicate some kind of silver lining to the day's events. Chelsea Clinton's chart also doesn't appear particularly strong on that date (e.g. tr Mars aspects her natal Ketu), so that is another potential sign that a win for Clinton may not happen in Indiana. While I'm less certain of this primary prediction than any other so far, my best guess then is that Obama will narrowly win Indiana and Hillary will somehow find a way to carry on.

One interesting side note is that when the winner is decided in the evening of May 6th, the Moon will conjoin Aldebaran in the middle of Taurus. This is a fixed star that is associated with royalty and popularity, and is associated with political power. On the surface that might represent the front runner Obama winning the day, as there may be a sense of crowning in the air. However, as fixed star expert Vivian Robson has written, "[Aldebaran's] benefits seldom prove lasting and there is also danger of violence and sickness." I'm not suggesting one has to take this literally as the violence may only be symbolic, such as Hillary Clinton calling the DNC on ongoing legality issues concerning the vote in MI and FL. Again, I don't want to make too much of this coincidence of the Moon's position on May 6th, but I thought it was worth a mention.

Regardless of what happens in IN and NC, I am still predicting that Hillary will win the nomination. I would currently put my confidence level at 70%, indicating that this is the most likely outcome although not quite in the 'sure thing' category. For comparison's sake, current sentiment on Intrade.com puts her chances at about 17%.

28 comments:

Unknown said...

Indiana is they say a close call. They said OH, TX and PA were also close call. But, could it be that they end up calling it for Obama, when Clinton actually wins narrowly? Also, in NC due to the rural population and also the large % of undecided voters. Hillary might eke out a victory there as well. It sure would be moral boost to her supporters if she somehow won both by a narrow margin (a win nonetheless), but not good news for Howard Dean, who has been going around saying the race ought to end soon.

Chris, I remember you pointed out that the campaign chart didn't look good for Obama in May and June. So, perhaps it could go either way.
We'll see...

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Getty1206 said...

Chris, you said there was a positive and negative for BOTH candidates. It was hard for me to extract the positive for Hillary in this commentary. Could you repeat it or re-explain it? Thanks!

Christopher Kevill said...

getty -- One thing that looks favourable to Hillary is that tr. Sun will oppose her natal Venus on May 6th. Given the fact that Venus is in the natal 1st house and the Sun rules the 11th house of gains, this combination of planets is probably indicative of some kind of positive outcome. However, this is only one factor out of many. It may symbolize that there is some kind of silver lining to the primaries that day -- perhaps a respectable showing in NC, for example. And as I said, this one is a tough call for me -- it is more ambiguous than PA was. This is probably an indication of how close it will be.

I could very well be wrong on this and she could win. It wouldn't surprise me, especially given the problems with the Dem Party Howard Dean's charts.

christy said...

Hi Chris,

What about her chances of winning the nomination, do you agree with pundits 5% or less chances?

Christopher Kevill said...

getty -- thanks again for the request for clarification. I've amended my original post to include the information I just shared with you.

Mark -- yes, it could go either way, but overall there seems to be too much stress in the key charts on the Clinton side (Hillary, Chelsea, Bill) to make me think she is about to go on a winning streak here. I think things will get better for HRC more in the second half of the month. I'll post something on this soon.

Miss America said...

What IS going Hillary Clinton's way is that people are waking-up to the fact that there is very little substance there with O'Bama and he has extremely off-putting close contacts for a U.S. President. She is looking stronger and more appropriate all the time to the American people as President. (What she has had to go through to communicate this!) It is sad that you don't have more positive indicators for a clear win in Indiana. NC: I don't think she'll do so badly in NC as pollsters say. Frankly, this HAS split along racial lines all along; the media is just now willing to start to say that. Caucasian voters do not like these extremist militant associations of O'Bama; they are voting against that. So, NC may show up better for her than "they" say. I find the fixation on Howard Dean to be interesting here. The Democratic Machine backing O'Bama is really: Kennedy, Kerry, and Pelosi. THEY are giving the marching orders to everyone--including Dean. This is why they REFUSE to let FL and MI re-primary or count. Because Hillary Clinton HAS ALREADY WON if you count every American who has voted. Kennedy, Kerry, and Pelosi are forbidding that because then their puppet president will lose. This is a greater attrocity than FL 2000 because this is the Democratic National Machine PICKING THEIR candidate--not the people. In 2000 the Supreme Court appointed the president out of a razor thin recount at least, (after Harris had disenfranchised 48,000 democratic FL registered voters) But THIS Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi candidate selection is more corrupt than anything they say the Clintons are accused of doing. THAT is the REAL UNREPORTED SCANDAL of this "race". Call your congressman. COUNT FL & MI NOW.

Christopher Kevill said...

christy -- I think the pundits are wrong on Hillary. Although I don't include it in every new post I make, I haven't changed my basic prediction that she will win the nomination. Right now, I'd put her chances at 70%. I still think she'll win the nomination even if she loses Indiana and NC. I don't know how she would do this, but this woman has pluck and you can't count her out until the final vote has been counted in Denver.

miss america -- you're right that the media are waking up to some basic issues and that key figures inside the Dems are backing Obama. The only reason I mention Dean is because I have his chart data and he occupies a unique position in the campaign as official arbiter of all disputes. I will consult the charts of Obama's other backers for additional clues.

Still, Hillary supporters have to acknowledge that there are some serious trust and likability issues that she needs to address if she's going to win in November. This will be even more necessary after this protracted campaign of negativity that has even the pro-Hillary NY Times criticizing her tactics.

Miss America said...

The NY Times was put in their place for what was deemed their "Absurd" editorial against Hillary Clinton, and the scores of Letters to the Editor the next day indicating that many people believe that HRC has done the public a service by pointing out the extreme weaknesses of O'Bama. Lou Dobbs/CNN went on a 10 minute tirade against the Times, holding up that issue, telling them and "the American people" that the paper is "out of its mind" if it thinks that the commercials HRC ran in PA were dirty politics. Dobbs kept coming back to, "If O'Bama can't stand up to this how is he going to stand up to the Republicans?" The NYTimes did not get away with that. My letter to to the NYTimes mentioned that 9-11 struck the hardest in Hillary Clinton's state and she Personally helped to lead New York out of its darkest days. And every year as I go to the Memorial Service at the WTC, I see Hillary Clinton standing there in honor of the 3,000 who died, and every year it warms my heart to see her there. On the other hand, while there is nothing stopping him, I have never seen O'Bama there. If any candidate can legitimately claim reference to what a president be prepared to deal with in this post 9-11 world, it is Hillary Clinton.
The problem to the O'Bama followers in pointing out his obvious weaknesses is, the Truth Hurts.

Jackarooty said...

Hello Chris,
I'm so pleased that you have updated your Vedic interpretations. Your predictions have been spot on and I'm going to treat myself soon to a personal reading. I think that HRC will probably win IA. As we say in MA it'll be a "squeakah". Speaking of MA check out the front page article in today's Boston Globe about die hard Republicans voting for Democrats for the first time in IA. Also today's Newsweek's national polls are interesting, moving in HRC's favor. It would be amazing and perhaps realistic if she could narrow the margin in NC. I hope that she would put her long term ardent supporter Maya Angelou in a TV spot in NC and I would love to see Elizabeth Edwards come out and endorse her next week since she stated publicly that she favors HRC's health plan over BHO's plan. Do you have EE's astrological information to chart? I'm still stymied about how she can actually win the nomination considering that the Dem graybeards have anointed BHO but I will stay tuned!

Getty1206 said...

Chris,
In the post before this one you noted that May 2nd would be a date to take note of for Obama. Do you still feel this is a date in which something less than positive would be associated with him?

blazer08 said...

If Hillary loses IN and NC on the same day, it will be a significant loss in terms of forcing superdelegates to support Obama and further fueling the media outcry for her to withdraw from the race. Her campaign aids have already acknowledged that it would be extremely difficult for her to continue if she loses IN.

However, if it's a tie, he wins NC by a healthy margin and she wins by a much smaller margin in IN, then the race will continue. I was a little curious of an earlier post, that they might end up calling the state for the wrong person (just speculation here, but could be a source of potential stress as Chris indicated on all three charts).

I am saying this with an added grain of salt, because we all remember the numbers from
Cook County IL
, I am wondering if we'll see a repeat of that in IN or something, because part of Chicago is actually in IN and has a significant black population there as well, so it could very well be that Obama wins IN due to disproportionate numbers supporting him in the urban areas and significantly offsetting her rural victories (in rural areas she's defeating him by something like 75% to 25%). We'll have to see how this all plays out.



Thanks Chris! We await anxiously to see how this will unfold.

Ladymadchan said...

Hii Chris,

Do you have any more information on Obama's upcoming potential setback? I rmr you talking about that a while back and even suggesting that it would be so bad that he would have to drop out of the race. Now that that isn't probably going to happen, how is it going to affect the race?

Unknown said...

Hi Chris

Dean has called for Clinton or Obama to drop out by June 3rd. Please see the link below.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24350198/

As your earlier post mentioned May and June to be Worst for Obama as per charts (and He may even drop out in May or June) and better for Clinton, Who do you think would drop out in June?

christy said...

Hello Chris,

In your earlier post, you mentioned that BHO will drop out. Please read the below article.

interesting:www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/04/24/why-obama-should-drop-out/

Christopher Kevill said...

Things appear to be getting tougher for Obama right now as Rev Wright has re-emerged and is standing by his controversial views:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/roughsketch/
?hpid=topnews

I see that the latest Indiana poll has Hillary leading Obama by 9 pts. Hard to imagine her winning by that much.

I expect this spate of bad news to continue for Obama for the rest of this week.

Christopher Kevill said...

Rajendra -- if I had to choose who would be dropping out, I would say it would be Obama, since I am predicting that Hillary will win.

But I'm not sure that Howard Dean has enough power over this process to create deadlines like that.

Getty1206 said...

Chris,
Not sure if you can see this in any chart (Edwards?) but do you see Edwards making an endorsement to any candidate? If you do , can you coincide it to be in either candidate's chart?

christy said...

NC Gov Easley to endorse Clinton. He had backed Sen. John Edwards for Pres. This is a major boost for HRC. This is really exciting!!!

Unknown said...

Hi Chris

Based on the Wright Controversial statements back in limelight forcing an Senator Obama Defense, Do you think this is the issue that you were predicting for
May 2nd or Do you think ther is some thing else in Store for 2nd of May?

Christopher Kevill said...

I don't see Edwards making an endorsement, although I have to admit that it's hard to make it out from the chart.

The May 2 headache for Obama is probably just more of this Wright fallout. I probably just missed on the timing by a few days.

christy said...

I don’t understand all of this. BHO is in a mess right now and yet, he is getting more superdelegates. It seems like there is an underground movement going on to prevent HRC from getting the nomination. She’s closing the gap in NC, what’s your latest prediction, Chris?

Unknown said...

Chris
I have to agree with Christy. All the polls are moving in HRC direction. Even Rasmussen has her up by 2 today against BO for Democratic Nomination.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

Under the best case scenario she would end up gaining around 50 Delegates by the time process completes in June. She would still trail by around 90. There are total of 295 delegates left to take sides. She needs that by 190 to 95 which would then be seen as Stolen from BO by Supers and I am not sure if that can happend.

With all the negative coverage BO has now he is not only gainning on Undedicded Super Delegates but HRC supporters are Jumping Ship.

Even If hillary wins Indiana Convincingly and closes in NC in Single digits looks like Supers are not changing their minds and more seems to Join BO

blazer08 said...

Rajendra,

Obama has a small reserve of superdelegates that come out and support him in tough times to shift focus away from the bad news.

Also some superdelegates are acting under pressure and fear, because they don't want to lose support of their constituencies and do not want a "brokered convention". It is this fear, and the insistence of party elders in the Democratic establishment driving some of these endorsements eventhough now Obama may actually be the weaker candidate right now.

I think Hillary has enough support to last through this month and next. I also believe she can close the delegate gap even further in the upcoming states - may be even pull a surprise upset in some states.

The future is never certain, but we understand it takes a fighter and if she's meant to be the president, she will be (no matter who she's running against or who may be ahead at this time). We still have one more month to go, let's not waver and see where this ends up. Hillary has not wavered, and even if she loses, has promised to work hard to rally her supporters behind Obama. No matter what her detractors say, she's strong, determined and in the end a loyal FDR democrat none the less.

christy said...

I know HRC said that she'll work hard to support Obama. I'm a Democrat but I'd rather vote for McCain if he ends up the Democratic nominee. I will not vote for him.

Unknown said...

Blazer08

I liked your analysis of Supers coming out during crisis for BO. Argument to be given a thought too

Look at latest Gallup from Today.
HRC up by 4 for Democratic Nomination
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106945/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-49-Obama-45.aspx

Getty1206 said...

Any last words before the contest results tonight, Chris? : )

Christopher Kevill said...

well getty -- I see Hillary has the early lead in IN after 1% reporting polls. She'll probably win.

In retrospect, the chart that showed the clearest pattern was Howard Dean's and it was his I should have based my prediction on most. If anyone is going to the loser tonight, it is him. Given that he wants this race to end early AND he supports Obama (according to most reports I've read anyway) that shows that Hillary will win at least one and prolong the acrimony amongst Democrats. While Obama's chart is still a bit messed up by the Mars transit to his Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, I don't quite think his chart is afflicted enough to warrant an NC defeat. So they'll likely split. But there is a chance of some election snafus tonight that might fill out Dean's level of frustration. Can't imagine a simply Hillary win in IN would be enough to reflect the fairly significant level of affliction in his chart.

All will be revealed soon enough.

Getty1206 said...

Thanks, Chris.
Looking forward to what could be your most important prediction. My spirit is feeling a little broken today, but I was prepared for last night since your prediction was on target again. Anxious to see what the next weeks bring.